Can't display post

Sun, 04 Dec 2022 07:17:07 -0500 from hubzilla

Nolan wrote the following post Sun, 04 Dec 2022 07:17:04 -0500

Can't display post

Hello

I try to open this #hubzilla post from my instance: https://freehub.space/item/a23c97aa-6322-4487-ba95-2b83679b0ee9

But it doesn't display...

Altyr on Stream

Mon, 05 Dec 2022 13:41:37 -0500 from streams

I can't display it from #Stream neither. Bug from #Hubzilla or #Stream?

𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

Mon, 05 Dec 2022 14:42:32 -0500 from hubzilla

the chanal https://dacha.xmpp.moe/channel/caranistar is down

Malendur

Mon, 05 Dec 2022 16:30:36 -0500 from hubzilla

@ð“’ð“±ð“»ð“²ð“¼ So when your primary is down, you can't be reached anymore? That's not the promise of nomadic identities...

𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

Mon, 05 Dec 2022 16:54:22 -0500 from hubzilla

@Malendur

your can't reached the primary, but you can commend the clone - i just did

https://freehub.space/channel/caranistar?mid=b64.aHR0cHM6Ly9mcmVlaHViLnNwYWNlL2l0ZW0vYTIzYzk3YWEtNjMyMi00NDg3LWJhOTUtMmI4MzY3OWIwZWU5

Altyr on Zap

Mon, 05 Dec 2022 19:16:14 -0500 from Free to be Social

Oh, right, you can comment on the hub, directly. But how can you share for instance?

𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

Tue, 06 Dec 2022 02:28:23 -0500 from hubzilla

@Altyr on Zap you can also comment the post directly in your timeline if you received it - the reply should show up at the clone hub .

Altyr on Zap

Tue, 06 Dec 2022 05:24:07 -0500 from Free to be Social

But how to share it if it's not in your timeline?

Scott M. Stolz

Mon, 05 Dec 2022 16:51:32 -0500 from hubzilla

I think you have to change the backup account to primary for the other hubs to figure out where to look for your content.

𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

Tue, 06 Dec 2022 02:36:55 -0500 from hubzilla

got to /locs and make the clone to your primary

Nolan

Tue, 06 Dec 2022 05:58:27 -0500 from hubzilla

@ð“’ð“±ð“»ð“²ð“¼ It's not my channel, I can't change anything...
(And, whatever: nomadic identities should not requiere to switch every time a primary goes down. Especially since you don't get warning to do this... If you need an operation to switch primary, it's not nomadic identity, it's migration, like #Mastodon's or #Diaspora's ones)

Scott M. Stolz

Tue, 06 Dec 2022 07:30:44 -0500 from hubzilla

@Nolan You only need to switch the primary if one hub is down for a long time or permanently.

Altyr on Stream

Tue, 06 Dec 2022 07:59:19 -0500 from streams

Define "long time".

Scott M. Stolz

Tue, 06 Dec 2022 08:21:43 -0500 from hubzilla

@Altyr on Stream

Define "long time".

Long enough where you are tired of having to log into your clone to post.

emaxmax

Tue, 06 Dec 2022 18:14:48 -0500 from hubzilla

@Scott M. Stolz You shouldn't wait for user to change their primary to be able to interact with his posts.
It's not in your side
And you can partialy do it throught his channel, so no technical reason to not display the post in our instance.

Scott M. Stolz

Tue, 06 Dec 2022 18:30:15 -0500 from hubzilla

@emaxmax

You shouldn't wait for user to change their primary to be able to interact with his posts.
It's not in your side
And you can partially do it through his channel, so no technical reason to not display the post in our instance.

How is it set up now? Let's say my hub wants to communicate with a channel on a hub that is down. How does my hub know which hubs contain a backup of that channel? Is that stored in my hub's database somewhere?

How do backup hubs know not to send duplicate messages? Or is the receiving hub able to detect duplicate messages from clones, so it does not matter if both the primary and the clone send the same message?

Sure, you can go to their clone and interact there, but how would you know where these clones are?

Altyr on Zap

Wed, 07 Dec 2022 05:49:19 -0500 from Free to be Social

All those questions are out of subject: the post is directly on the clone hub. No need to search anything else...

Malendur

Wed, 07 Dec 2022 08:31:22 -0500 from hubzilla

@Scott M. Stolz

but how would you know where these clones are

https://webfinger.net/lookup/?resource=https%3A%2F%2Ffreehub.space%2Fchannel%2Fcaranistar : aliases field.

Scott M. Stolz

Wed, 07 Dec 2022 12:53:42 -0500 from hubzilla

@Malendur Thanks for answering that. From what I understand, most other platforms use aliases as alternative identifiers pointing to the same instance, rather than clones (since they don't have clones). I am guessing, since Hubzilla allows clones, it would also be smart enough to detect when an alias is on a different hub.

Malendur

Tue, 06 Dec 2022 09:23:34 -0500 from hubzilla

This doesn't look like an app varaible...

Altyr on Stream

Tue, 06 Dec 2022 09:26:29 -0500 from streams

Loging into clone is not tiring...

Scott M. Stolz

Tue, 06 Dec 2022 10:14:41 -0500 last edited: Tue, 06 Dec 2022 10:15:49 -0500 from hubzilla

@Altyr on Stream

Logging into clone is not tiring.

I suppose. I guess a more precise answer is that your primary is down long enough where other hubs think it is dead.